Is it Time to Clean Out Your Resume Closet?

photo (12)One of the reasons why it is so difficult for people to write their own resume is that there is often so much emotional baggage attached to our careers and it is hard to let go of the things we experienced in each of our jobs. Writing a good resume forces you to make choices about what should and should not be listed in the document and the exercise is similar to cleaning out a closet of cherished items that no longer have a place in your life. If you were going through the clothes and accessories in your closet you would probably ask yourself these questions:

1. Does this still fit?
2. Does this date me?
3. Is this item consistent with current trends?
4. Will I make the right impression with this outfit?
5. Can I pull this look off at my age?
6. Does this outfit make me look like everyone else?
7. Does this look match my industry/professional level?

When was the last time you “cleaned out” your resume? Try asking yourself these same questions to determine what to keep and what to cut. If the information is not relevant to your current job target, let if go. Need some resume “styling” tips? Check out our Pinterest page.

Following Sochi Olympics is Like Watching a Bad Interview Unfold

sochi 2I’ve been hooked on the #SochiProblems hashtag on Twitter where journalists and athletes are tweeting about mishaps related to the Olympics including the malfunctions during the opening ceremony’s light show, unfinished buildings, trashed hotel rooms, unusual bathroom layouts, stray dogs, potholes, and crumbling sidewalks.

Ok, we’re all human and we all make mistakes. But in some situations you are going to be judged more harshly than others. If a toilet seat in a hotel room bathroom is put on backwards under normal circumstances, you might have a chuckle and that would be the end of it. But when you are at an event as special as the Olympics being hosted in a a city that has had years to prepare for the event, you may become more frustrated by such a mishap.  And even if the hotel has provided excellent accommodations to every other guest in that hotel, the person who had that experience will always associate that hotel with poor accommodations.

Job search is a situation where your actions are under a microscope. Errors that might be passed over in your day to day work are scrutinized much more diligently when hiring managers are reviewing applicants. When you start the job search process, an employer doesn’t know you and they don’t trust you yet. They don’t know if you are competent to do the job so each of your interactions with them either builds that trust or destroys it. Here are a few errors that job seekers often make and are frequently judged by.

Resume typos…It’s very rare that I receive an email without a typo. And I see typos on websites and blogs all the time. And it doesn’t really color my opinion of that person. But in job search, typos on the resume make a red flag go up for many hiring managers. The concern is that if the applicant wasn’t detail-oriented enough to catch the typos in their resume, they may make other, more costly errors for the company.

Fashion Faux-pas…Everyone has showed up at work at some point in time in some outfit that was far from flattering, too casual, inconsistent with the company’s corporate culture, or even offensive. In most cases the fashion faux-pas becomes fodder for the water cooler for a day or two and then just goes away. But on an interview, the candidate quickly turns into “the applicant in the fishnet stockings” or “the guy with the really bad tie” and again a judgement is passed. The concern is that based on the applicant’s dress they won’t fit in with the company’s culture or perhaps lack sound judgement in other areas.

Arriving late to the interview… Just about everyone has been late to work at one time or another. And unless it becomes a chronic issue, it is generally accepted and not a big deal. But on an interview, arriving late can signal to a hiring manager that you are not reliable or dependable or that you don’t manage your time well.

Electronic whoops…We’ve all been in situations where someone’s cell phone rings during a presentation or important meeting. And maybe it’s a bit embarrassing but it’s quickly forgotten. However, if your phone rings during an interview, the interviewer notices and may pass a judgement about you or even your consideration of others.

When you apply for a job, you are a lot like the host country for the Olympics. Everything you do is obvious. Everything you do gets noticed. And little errors in your job search strategy can quickly turn into detrimental ones. The people working on anything related to the Olympics should have checked and double checked their work…because it’s the Olympics and people all over the world are watching. Job seekers need to check and recheck all the little details that go into an effective job search…because it’s your career. Both are really big things that you don’t want to screw up.

 

How to Network at Social Events When You Aren’t Social

networkingLike it or not, most professionals initially get their jobs by leveraging their network of contacts, and those contacts can be elusive if you never socialize. Just for the record, I’m not talking about landing your next gig through your brother or girlfriend. I’m talking about finding your next job through your brother’s friend’s neighbor’s boss’ wife’s childhood buddy who’s just been named vice president. Otherwise known as six-degrees-of-separation networking.

Having conversations with people and building relationships through in-person (and online) social gatherings is a critical part of any professional’s career strategy, but it’s also important to do it in a way that is manageable and comfortable for you (not to mention successful). Here are a few suggestions

Arrive Early

If you’re one of the first people to show up at an event, it is more likely to feel like an intimate dinner party than a huge “meet and greet market.” You can have a few memorable conversations before the event becomes crowded and walking up to strangers becomes a lot less challenging when there are only a few in your field of vision.

Also, if there is a speaker at the event, showing up early makes it easy to meet them personally and even ask a question or two. Ironically, the speaker may well be the most important person you meet at the event and by showing up early you can potentially have his or her undivided attention before the end of the event, when everyone else wants to chat with the speaker.

Just be sure you’re respectful of the speaker’s prep time when he or she is concentrating on the logistics of their presentation, such as setting up a PowerPoint or sound-testing the mike or video equipment.

Go With a Buddy

Another great solution is to bring along your wingman or wingwoman – a friend or colleague who would be willing to go to the event with you. If he or she is the social type, you can let them make the introductions, and then you quickly become part of conversations that you didn’t initiate yourself.

Or the two of you can develop a strategy where you each have conversations with a certain number of people independently and then regroup to share the knowledge and contacts you’ve acquired. This halves the requirement that you talk to people, while doubling your networking efforts.

Have a Drink – But Watch Your Alcohol Barometer

If it’s a social networking event, alcohol will probably be served. Having a drink may reduce your inhibitions and make you more comfortable with the overall process.

Obviously there’s a line between relaxed and approachable and lampshade on your head, so be sure not to cross it. Nurse a beer, order a wine spritzer, or switch to soda after one or two drinks. Just holding a drink in your hand automatically makes you social; you don’t need to be throwing them back. Stay conscious about your level of drinking, and don’t consume more than one alcoholic drink an hour.

 Work the Front Desk

 If you find making small talk difficult, consider volunteering to handle the on-site registration or check-in for the event. Every attendee will have to pass by before entering the event, and the conversations may flow more freely as a result, since attendees generally have to supply their names as part of the registration process.

Also, by working the front desk you will be privy to the list of attendees and probably even other valuable information such as their job title, the company they work for, and their email address, although this may be highly confidential data, so be very discreet in how you use it.

This starting point can provide great insights, however, because you can plot a few strategic conversations using this knowledge, or you can leverage the information to do some online sleuthing later or connect with specific attendees via LinkedIn. Be cautious though and let enough time elapse that it isn’t obvious where you got their information and don’t mention the check-in desk connection or your quarry  may put it together.

Become the Organizer

Being an event organizer often requires a great deal of behind-the-scenes work, but it puts your name out there front and center with attendees. If you’ve had phone conversations or email exchanges with these people prior to the event, they may already feel like they know you and may actively seek you out during the event to talk.

The same holds true for the presenter at the event, which could yield dividends down the road. As the point-person for the presenter, you will get to know him or her prior to the event and he/she will be relying on you for important information related to the venue, attendees, logistics, and equipment. You will become a valuable resource for the presenter and he/she will be grateful for the information you provide. Being helpful makes you memorable and it increases the likelihood that this person would reciprocate and help you, should you reach out with a question or request for advice or an introduction in the future.

 Create a Strong Online Presence

 If a list of attendees is published and circulated prior to the event, attendees might decide to research others beforehand. By having a strong online presence on LinkedIn and other online identity sites like Google+, ZoomInfo, and BrandYourself, you make it easy for people to find you and become familiar with your background. These profiles can include your phone number and email for quick access if you are comfortable sharing this information.

Building online profiles gives you the opportunity to take control of your online presence and create a searchable branded bio to position your experience in the most keyword-rich way. This is a much better strategy than having someone Google you only to find a random assortment of facts including where you work, your running time in a previous marathon, and a comment you made on a somewhat controversial blog back in the Jurassic era.

After an attendee reviews your online presence, they may want to get to know you better, and some might chose to connect with you and begin a dialogue prior to the event. This is a great way to break the ice, and then when you meet the person at the live event, you may already feel like you know them to some extent.

Focus on Listening Instead of Talking

Many people think you have to be “a big talker” or “smooth” or “funny” to be an effective networker. But the more important networking skill is being a good listener, and people who are somewhat introverted or believe they are less social often excel at listening. Remember to ask “curiosity-based questions” of the person you are talking to, rather than focusing the spotlight on yourself.

You can ask them about their job, how they broke into their field, or what they like about the company they work for. By doing this, you will be gaining valuable insights and information about this person and they will thoroughly enjoy the conversation because they are talking about themselves. Not-too-secret-secret: Most people think you are a great networker when you let them do most of the talking!

Have a Few Meaningful Conversations Rather Than Several Unmemorable Ones

Many people go to social events and try to talk to as many people as possible. They may return home with a stack of business cards, but have little memory of the people they met – or the most important conversations – because the conversations were not long enough or engaging enough to be memorable.

A better strategy is to have a few meaningful conversations with just a handful of people. Building a deeper, more authentic relationship from the get-go yields better results down the line. You might ask an attendee if they’ve participated in other events the organization has hosted and learn more about what the association has to offer and who the key members are.

Or you might ask someone how long they’ve been in the business – or how they started out – and be treated to a rich overview of their work history and contacts.

Be sure to exchange business cards and jot a few notes down about the person before leaving the event and then follow up with a LinkedIn invite to remain top of mind with your new contact and keep the momentum going.

Treat Others the Way You Would Like to Be Treated

 Many people don’t like networking because they have had experiences with others at social events that were at best uncomfortable, and at worst, creepy. There are certainly bad networkers and people who ask for too much too soon or bore you into stupefaction.

You can’t meet someone for the first time at 6 p.m. and ask to be introduced to a key contact at 6:15 p.m. You have to build the relationship over time and earn trust respectfully. Nonetheless, some people do this, turning others off, and networking gets a bad rap.

You definitely don’t have to be (and shouldn’t be) that guy or gal. Treat others the way you would like to be treated and be 100% authentic and helpful. Think of ways you might be able to support or assist the other person, and the relationship will eventually blossom. People remember those that have assisted them over the course of a lifetime, and are more likely to reciprocate if they can possibly do so.

The next time you have the opportunity to go to a social event; whether it be a professional association meeting, a class reunion, a holiday party, a wedding, or a baseball game, try a few of these strategies and see what works well for you. You may end up making a new friend, meeting the person who will become your spouse, or starting a dialogue with someone who will be able to transform your career someday down the line.

Whatever the outcome, it’s worth the preparation to make the process a productive and successful one!

 

How Women Can Negotiate a Salary That Isn’t Half What Their Male Predecessor Earned

photo (12)Recent reports regarding GM CEO Mary Barra’s salary suggested she was earning half what her male predecessor, Dan Akerson earned. And while the latest reports note that GM has clarified that when Barra’s total compensation of base pay, short-term, and long-term compensation is disclosed later this year, the numbers will represent more equitable pay between the two, the incident has brought the issue of unequal pay for women to the forefront again.

There are several issues that can impact pay for women, including a higher percentage of females leaving the workforce temporarily to raise children or a larger number accepting part-time jobs, but there is also research to suggest that the way women approach the salary negotiation process may be at play as well.

The mechanics of the negotiation are the same for men and women, but the strategies often vary between the two sexes. Personality, style, and gender are all contributing factors that influence the outcome of the conversation. Here are four differences I have observed between male and female negotiation styles (and what you can do to level the playing field):

1.) Relationships vs. Outcomes
Women tend to value relationships over outcomes and are willing to compromise in an effort to keep the relationship intact. Some can be people pleasers who generally do not like conflict and confrontation, and many women associate salary negotiation with conflict. In a study by Babcock, Gelfund, Small, and Stayn, “Propensity to Initiate Negotiations,” men and women participated in an internet survey to identify if they believed it was appropriate to negotiate in various work-related fictitious situations. As a group, women were less likely than men to choose negotiation as an option, even though they recognized that negotiation was appropriate.

Men tend to leverage relationships to achieve their goals. They ask for a particular salary with less compromise and are concerned with outcomes. They worry less about how their negotiations affect the relationship. Their straight-forward approach can work well, especially for short-term financial gain.

Recommendation: Women can be successful negotiators by positioning their needs as part of a collaborative process. By listening to a potential employer’s needs and recommending outcomes that
benefit both parties, women and men can get what they want for themselves and preserve the relationship at the same time.

2.) Needs vs. Wants
Many women may make decisions about salary based on what they feel they need rather than what the market will bear. They use past salary as their benchmark and may rationalize that a similar or slightly higher salary is what they should ask for. Since employers tend to reward people no more than they require, women are at risk for receiving less competitive packages than their male counterparts.

Men are more likely to ask for what they want. Cultural norms may be at play here, since historically it has been acceptable for men to be assertive in the business world, while women who are tend to be viewed as aggressive or difficult to work with. In a study by Small, Babcock, and Gelfund, “Why Don’t Women Ask,” participants were asked to play a game and offered $3 as compensation. If participants asked for more, they would receive $10. Almost nine times as many males asked for more money, suggesting that men ask for what they want more frequently than women.

Recommendation: Women can improve their negotiation skills by knowing their market value. Sites such as Salary.com, Payscale.com, and Glassdoor help job seekers define a potential range of salaries for a particular job. By doing your research and presenting the business case for your requested salary, you improve your bargaining power and diffuse potential cultural biases.

3.) External vs. Internal Centers of Influence
Women may be more likely to assume that hard work alone will be recognized and rewarded with a promotion and/or increased monetary compensation. They often wait for external factors and group consensus to determine their opportunities for advancement.

Men more frequently take matters into their own hands and believe they influence their opportunities and promotions. They are less inclined to stay in dead-end jobs and more likely to ask for a raise when they feel the situation warrants one. In the “Propensity to Initiate Negotiations” survey, researchers found that women were 45 percent less likely to see the importance of asking for what they want.

Recommendation: Women can increase their opportunities for promotion by taking a proactive approach to their career development that includes reporting accomplishments regularly, taking on high-profile assignments, and developing influential networking relationships within the organization.

4.) Low vs. High Goal Setting
Women may set more modest goals than men and they generally make concessions earlier in the negotiation process. As a result, women typically have lower salaries than men in similar positions.

A study by Riley, Babcock, and McGinn, “Gender as a Situational Phenomenon in Negotiation,” revealed that men typically set goals for negotiation conversations that are 15 percent higher than women. By going into the negotiation process with higher goals, men can often receive better initial offers and additional leverage in the negotiation process. In subsequent negotiations, employers often assume that applicants with better compensation records are more capable than those who have been paid less.

Recommendation: Women should adopt a negotiation style that meets their individual needs, but both should incorporate ambitious targets into their negotiation strategy. When you negotiate your compensation package you are not just negotiating your starting salary, but you are directly impacting every salary increase you receive from that point forward.

While most job-seekers are intensely interested in how to negotiate the best package, few realize the importance of creating their own style and developing a set of best practices for their negotiations. Whether you are a man or a woman, these strategies can help you achieve the optimal total compensation package when you land your next promotion or new job.

Facebook is Ten! Are You Using it to Manage Your Career Yet?

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In celebration of their 10th birthday, I’m blogging about Facebook to show how much I appreciate its implications for career management and job search. Facebook often plays second fiddle to LinkedIn and many are unaware of its enormous potential for job search. Here are a few of the features I particularly like.

Graph Search

Graph Search allows you to search profiles based on information that may be important to your job search. Finding people with a particular job title, at a specific company, in a certain city can be done in a snap with graph search. Just click on the browse tab from your home page and key in the information you are looking for. From here, you can message the person or subscribe to their public feed if they have enabled that feature. Or your search may show that you have mutual friends and a friend request may be in order.

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Glassdoor Inside Connections

Glassdoor Inside Connections is an application that runs on the Facebook platform and allows you to search for Facebook friends who are connected to people at your target companies. You may be friends with people on Facebook who are not your connections on LinkedIn. By knowing who your friends know at certain companies, you open the door for additional networking opportunities that may have been left unearthed via LinkedIn. Glassdoor is also a great repository of information on companies, jobs, salaries, interview questions, and more.

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Company Pages

Company Pages on Facebook are a great way to learn about a company’s culture, interact with company decision makers, and find out about job opportunities in real time. Just key in the name of the company that interests you in the Facebook search box. In general, I see much greater engagement on Facebook company pages than I do on LinkedIn company pages, so this feature is definitely worth exploring and provides a great alternative to applying via the black hole of a job board or career page on that company’s official website.

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Hashtags

Hashtags turn topics and phrases into clickable links in posts on timelines. This helps people find posts on topics they are interested in. Facebook recently began rolling out Trending, a feature that highlights the most popular topics and hashtags. Frequently these topics are related to something that may be relevant for your search and can fuel your ability to source decision makers. Check for it on your homepage.

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How to Negotiate a $109M Severance Package

moneyThere’s been a lot of press about Yahoo COO Henrique de Castro getting fired by CEO Marissa Mayer after just one year in the job. Much of the press revolves around his $109M severance package because people are dumbfounded by how anyone could receive so much money for failing.

But let’s examine the circumstances under which de Castro accepted the position. Mayer snagged him from Google where he had a great gig working for the #1 company on the Fortune Best Companies to Work For list. He was given an opportunity to walk into Yahoo, a company whose revenues have been declining consistently for years, due to competition from Google and Facebook. His charge was to orchestrate a major turnaround for the company, no small feat.

No executive takes on such a role without meticulously negotiating a comprehensive severance package. His severance benefits, including equity awards, were laid out in his employment letter. I’m assuming de Castro knew he was taking an enormous risk teaming with Yahoo and the only way Mayer was going to be able to convince him to come on board was by offering him a huge “insurance policy.” 

So what does all this mean for you? If you are in the midst of a negotiation for a new job, it may be important to negotiate your severance package on the way in, because it can be difficult, if not impossible, to negotiate it on the way out. While it might seem awkward to negotiate your exit when you’ve just gotten your foot in the door, it’s a prudent and frequently expected point to negotiate, particularly if part of the new role requires a turnaround effort. As long as you can prove to the prospective employer that what you are negotiating for is fair and reasonable, you should be able to make some headway in the negotiation process.

Since negotiating severance may feel like a difficult conversation, here are a few tips.

  1. Begin the conversation by displaying your excitement about the offer and reiterate why you think you are a great fit and what value you can bring to the role.
  2. Explain that you expect to have a long and fruitful career with the company.
  3. Discuss the reality of the risks associated with the role if there are any in terms that are fair and reasonable. For example, you might say, “Given the fact that this is a volatile market, I think it would be prudent to discuss the severance package, should market conditions impact company performance.” If you are being brought in to manage a turnaround, you might say, “Given the fact that the firm is facing significant challenges, some that may be outside their control due to the economy, I believe it is reasonable to discuss what happens if the original goals are not met.” If you are negotiating with a start up, you might say, “Since I am leaving an established Fortune 1,000 company for this start-up, there is inherently more risk and I would like to discuss the opportunity for severance if the company does not take off.”

While I can’t guarantee you will leave the negotiation table with a package as lucrative as de Castro’s, you will certainly be taking better ownership of what happens to you financially if your new job doesn’t work out the way you had planned.

Top 4 Most In-Demand Skills in Finance, Healthcare, Legal Services & Human Resources

The Execu-Search Group, an executive search firm based in Manhattan, recently surveyed 195 of their clients to uncover their hiring plans for 2014 and the in-demand skills they believed would play a part in their decision. Below are the survey findings on their top four in-demand skills across 5 business areas.Hiring Outlook Cover_Download

Accounting & Finance 

  • Technical Accounting
  • Corporate Reporting
  • Financial Planning/Analysis
  • Hedge Fund Accounting

Financial Services

  • Operational Risk
  • Quantitative Analysis
  • Advanced Excel
  • Modeling

Healthcare

  • Managed Care
  • Informatics/Health Information Management
  • Medicare/Medicaid
  • Operations

Human Resources

  • Experience in Benefits, Compensation, and Immigration
  • Relevant Industry Background
  • Knowledge of ADP or similar HRIS Systems
  • Knowledge of Personnel Administration Systems

Legal Services

  • Contract Review/Negotiation
  • Drafting Corporate Documents/Corporate Governance
  • Document Review
  • Legal Research/Writing

The survey also revealed that significant hiring is expected across all of these sectors for both permanent and contract positions. Click on the link to learn more about 2014 hiring projections or download the full 2014 hiring outlook whitepaper here.

 

Career Solvers Resume Specialty Certifications

imageIf you are looking for a resume writer that specializes in your industry or job function, Career Solvers may be the perfect fit. In addition to four resume writing credentials, Career Solvers holds six specialty resume writing credentials in the following areas:

  1. Sales & Business Development
  2. Financial Service
  3. Information Technology
  4. Public Relations & Marketing
  5. Human Resources & Training
  6. Healthcare & Medical

These specialty credentials were awarded after preparing dozens of resumes in each of these fields and presenting an extensive portfolio to an international review committee.

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Seeking Unqualified Lazy Slackers

word cloudOut of every 100 resumes I review, approximately 95 of them start off with a reference to the personal attributes that candidate believes they possess. The logic here is that these descriptive words will verify the person’s abilities and make them a more desirable candidate in the hiring manager’s eyes. I actually believe that using these words makes the candidate far less desirable. Below is a list of some of the most commonly used descriptive words on a resume.

  1. highly qualified
  2. hard worker
  3. team player
  4. problem solver
  5. flexible
  6. people person
  7. self-starter

Now let’s consider the opposite meanings of these words:

  1. unqualified
  2. lazy
  3. loner
  4. problem maker
  5. inflexible
  6. people hater
  7. slug

Before you include a descriptive word on your resume, consider its opposite. In practically every case, it will be a word you never want to use to describe yourself. What this means is that all the words expressing personal attributes that you are using on your resume are a given and to assume the opposite is somewhat comical. Hiring managers don’t need to hear that you are qualified or a team player. They need to see it.

Instead of claiming to be a hard worker, show an example of a situation where you did what needed to be done in order to get a project done on time. Rather than saying you are a problem solver, describe a time when you approached a problem in a different manner and achieved outstanding results. Instead of saying you are a people person, illustrate an example of how you built relationships with clients or mentored staff.

Carry this logic over to your LinkedIn profile and try to avoid these top 10 overused buzzwords on LinkedIn. As you will see, the opposites of these words are pretty silly as well.

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New Year’s 7-Day Career Cleanse Program

cleanseSo the new year is here and everyone is trying to stick to their resolutions to eat better, exercise more, save money, etc. But what about your career? Have you given any thought to trimming your bloated, outdated resume or banking some of your new networking contacts to help advance your job prospects in 2014? Here are 7 easy steps you can take right now to get your career on course and ensure you are prepared for future opportunities.

  1. Ditch toxic people. You know the ones I’m talking about. They are the people who say no one is hiring, you’re too old to find a new job, you make too much money, you’d be crazy to change careers…the list goes on and on. These people rarely add any real value to your career goals. Find people who can support you or hire a professional to help you chart your career course.
  2. Put your resume on a diet. Has the waistline of your resume expanded to 3+ pages? Are you still dedicating a half page to detailing information about your client base in 1999? Is you resume packed with information about company courses you completed back in the eighties? Remove this unnecessary poundage from your resume and create a sleeker, more streamlined message of value. If you like to diet alone, here’s a resume guide to help you. And if you need someone to help you whittle your resume down to a respectable size, let me know.
  3. Give your LinkedIn profile a makeover. How old is the picture on your profile? Does it need to be updated? Is the information current? Does the headline show only your current job title or does it convey more about your message of value and expertise? Have you paid attention to the skills section and have you created a customized URL to improve your chances of being found? If you are totally baffled by LinkedIn and social media in general, we should talk. A resume is no longer enough and you will need a strong online identity to compete for the best opportunities in 2014.
  4. Make new friends. Has your network gone stale? Do people in your professional community know what you are up to and do you communicate with them regularly? Now might be a good time to catch up by phone, grab coffee, or exchange an email to touch base.
  5. Practice interviewing. If a great opportunity became available tomorrow, would you be ready to pitch yourself to a hiring manager? If not, here’s a free app for interview prep that can help.
  6. Benchmark your salary. Do you know what you are worth? Have you been in the same job or same company for a long time and has your salary become less competitive? Check out sites like Payscale and Glassdoor to do a quick audit.
  7. Do something for someone else. Help someone with a personal or professional project, volunteer in your community, recommend a colleague on LinkedIn, or make an important introduction for someone. The more you give, the more you get. Start giving now and you’ll be getting back by Spring or maybe even sooner.